Author: Károly “Karika” Németh Hello everyone, the following post deals with the history and possible implementation (viability) of the Hungarian Nimród tank destroyer in detail. It was written by Károly “Karika” Németh and after seeing it, I specifically asked for his permission to publish it on For the Record – the reason for that is that I haven’t seen the info on 80mm Nimród project anywhere else on the web (at least in English) and it might be new to many of you, dear readers. Silentstalker Landsverk L-62 and 40mm 36/40 M. Nimród tank destroyer List of shortcuts used: HTI = Haditechnikai Intézet = Institute of Military Science HM = Honvédelmi Minisztérium = Ministry of Defence History: One yeat after the first L-60 light tank were purchased, in 1937 the Swedish Landsverk factory presented the L-62 anti-tank and anti-air self-propelled machingun to the Hungarian Army. The HM (Hungarian Ministry of Defense) was interested, and ordered a prototype. After the first trials in Sweden, in 1939, and the hungarian MÁVAG factory bought a prototype and the production rights. The main reason why the hungarians bought the L-62 was that their military leaders thought that the freshly equipped troops could use some fast, all-terrain, mechanized anti-air support (and anti-tank support in the conditions of the late 1930’s) vehicle, and its 40mm Bofors gun was already manufactured in Hungary and and resembled in many ways to the already bought L-60/Toldi. Differences between the L-60 and the L-62: - The L-62 was longer, its undercarriage has 5 smaller road-wheels insteat of 4 larger - large (2 m wide), truncated, open top turret - 40mm Bofors heavy machinegun that capable shooting air- and ground targets too - 5-person crew Landsverk L-62: Landsverk L-62 After the long trials, the hungarian experts suggested some additional changes to the L-62 before it could be used in hungarian service: - a plus crew member, to organize the fire control - because of this additional crew member, it was needed to enlarge the turret, so the so far round turret has been stretched backwards, - and to protect the operating personel, the frontal armor of the turret has been made higher - install a metal grid on the engine cover - an additional submachinegun against the infantry - and some minor ergonomical, practical changes were made too. The original L-62 prototype that came to Hungary without gun later served as the prototype of the 43M. Lehel páncélozott, sebesült és csapatszállító terepjáró gépkocsi (=Lehel armoured, all-terrain injured- and troop transporter vehicle). Its later fate is unknown. After these changes has been made, in 1940 the HM ordered the first 46 vehicles of the 40M. Nimród páncélvadász és légvédelmi gépágyú (=Nimród tank destroyer and anti-air machinegun) from MÁVAG. The second series of the Nimróds (89) were ordered in 1941 with the licenced-hungarian Ganz VIII. VGT 107 type engines. The first Nimróds were finished in October 1941, but the production was slow, because the Turán medium tanks had the main priority. Nimrod on the eastern front: At first, the Nimróds were used in tank destroyer role too with variable success, they were quite effective against non- or lightly armoured vehicles, armoured cars or light tanks. But after the battles on the eastern front in 1941-42 it became clear, that the Nimród’s firepower is insufficient against the heavier soviet AFVs, such as the T-34 or KV-1 and KV-2. Even its tall silhouette make it very easy to spot. After 1942 the remaining Nimróds were renamed to 40mm 36/40 M Nimród páncélos gépágyú (= armoured machinegun), they were transfered from the Armoured Corps. to the Anti-Air Battalion. After that, the Nimróds were only used as a mobile anti-air vehicle and rarely fought against ground forces. Details: Name: 40mm 36/40 M. Nimród tank destroyer Year: 1940-44 Manufacturer: MÁVAG Combat weight: 11 t Engines: - Büssing NAG type L8 V/36 TR, 8 cylinders, 155 hp on 2700 r/min, 7913 cm3, benzin - Ganz VIII. VGT 107, 8 cylinders, 155 hp on 2700 r/min, 7913 cm3, benzin Dimensions in mm: - Full lenght without barrel: 5320 - Full lenght with barrel: 5750 - Full width: 2300 - Height: 2230 - L-62’s height: 2010 - Ground clearance: 350 Suspension: Nimród - Road wheel diameter: 500 - Track gauge: 2066 - Lowest turn radius: 5 m (measured on the inner track) - Chain size: 286x132x65 - Number of chains: 2×132 Ground pressure: 0,6 kp/cm2 Armour: welded - frontal sloped: 10 mm in 30° - frontal „vertical” armor: 13 mm - driver’s hatch: 13 mm - turret: 10 mm - turret’s back: 10 mm in 86° - side: 10 mm - rear: 7 mm in 60°-85° - engine cover: 6 mm in 6° - top, bottom: 6 mm Turret: L-62 - Turret ring diameter: 2000 - maximum outer diameter: 2300 (it was round shaped) - Turret height: 660 Turret: Nimród - Turret ring diameter: 2000 - Turret lenght: 2840 - Turret height: 880 Gun: - 40mm 36. M Bofors anti-air/anti-tank heavy machinegun ammo: 160 in 4 round magazines rounds: AP + HE (projectile 900-1000 g) armour penetration with AP at 70°: 60mm/100m, 55mm/300m, 51mm/500m rate of fire: 120 shots/min muzzle velocity: 850m/s - additional submachine-guns (3) and machineguns (2) against infantry Gun depression, elevation: -5, +90 Radio: - R-5M (to communicate with the command vehicle) - R-5/a (in command vehicles) Max. speed forward: 46,5 km/h Crew: 6, Commander/Radioman, Driver, (vertical) Gunner, (horizontal) Gunner, Loader, Loader In World of Tanks (a quite unique vehicle) The Nimród is a rather odd vehicle, but in World of Tanks it will be something like the Tier V german tank destroyer Pz. Sfl. IVc, a tier lower, in Tier IV. It has no armor, even a little less than the Tier III Toldi light tank. It has large silhouette, plenty of crew members, good mobility, and designed for anti-air role. The main difference will be its gun, the Nimród won’t get a high tier gun with relatively high alpha damage, its 40mm 36. M Bofors is on the other side, low damage with very high rate of fire in a rotating turret. It could be balanced with high accuracy (as an AA gun, it was good enough). Unfortunately I don’t think there are any other historical options for the gun (or anything other), only if the original Bofors gun or its L/70 version could be mounted. Possible/historical characteristics: Hull: Nimród Turret: L-62 >>> Nimród Suspension: L-62 >>> Nimród Engine: Büssing NAG type L8 V/36 TR >>> Ganz VIII. VGT 107 Gun: 36. M Bofors 40mm heavy machinegun Radio: R-5M >>> R-5/a Nimród today: Nimród 80mm, AKA “Szebeny’s tank destroyer project” First of all, not much known about Continue reading →

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