Hello everyone, in part I, we talked about the theoretical concept of the European tree. Now, let’s have a look at some of the stuff, that could come with it and the various nations contained within. Please note one thing though – okay, three things in fact. One – the research on possible EU branches is far from complete Second – some branches do have a problematic situation when it comes to gaps in them Three – Wargaming is not officially conducting any EU tree research yet. As I wrote earlier, the final decision whether to implement the EU tree or not should came in Autumn 2014. Until then, it’s up to the fans of this tree to find as much info as possible. Putting together a qualified EU tree branch proposal is also NOT easy, as you can imagine and quite frankly, for people not of that respective nation, it’s pretty much impossible. That’s why this post will be based on work of other people, who are probably the best at this sort of thing. I will credit them as I go. While the decision on EU tree is not yet taken, I will be going with the likely variant of each nation having its own branches within the tree (eg. no mixing of nations in one branch) – mixing the branches would create pointless friction (“why do I have to play Polish tanks in order to get to hightier Czechoslovaks” and stuff like that) and (using Occam’s Razor rule) is the most likely. The last variant of crews’ nationality, that was openly discussed, was the option to (when you recruit the crew) select the crew nationality (eg. you could have Czech crews in Italian tanks for example, but ONLY if you specifically choose to do so). In such a case, national voiceover is not a problem (for example, Czech voiceover exists). Italy Italy is… complicated. Of all the potential EU tree nations, it has a special place (along with Hungary), because its vehicles actually fought and played an important role in WW2. Despite some of them being terribly, terribly obsolete by the time they got into the fight, contrary to popular belief, their deployment was not entirely unsuccessful and cases, where the Italians kicked British ass in Africa are actually not as rare as people think. Italian vehicles would also fit well in historical battles – specifically the African ones versus the British. Earlier on, there were some rumors about Italy appearing as an independent tree – some info also emerged that WG EU office is pushing for this option, but as of now, unless the rules for new trees (which is “tier 10 of all classes”) change significantly, there is a very little chance of seeing an Italian independent tree. In order to have a look at the Italians, I will be drawing from Vollketten’s and Zarax’s posts on EU/US forums and also some work from Raptor_Fulcrum, a WG EU Italian employee, who works directly with Yuri Pasholok on this. Anyway, back to Italy. The way I see it, the Italians can build (with difficulties) a full medium branch. Italian light tanks are usually just pre-war/wartime crap and tank destroyers and artillery are very problematic, with the most poweful potential candidate being the mid-war Semovente with a 149mm gun, which was an artillery piece anyway. There is an entire thread about them on US forums, probably the most detailed info on Italian tanks. Light tanks – well, here it’s pretty straightforward. The L3 tankettes are most likely too weak, but as tier 1 would do. Then there is the 5 ton Ansaldo and the L6 light tanks, both solid tier 1-2 tanks. Little else above that though, no hightier scouts I know of. Medium tanks – here it gets a bit better. Lowtiers are covered pretty well from tier 2 to 4 with the M11/39, M13/40, M14/41 and M15/42 – the most advanced Italian mass-produced tank. After that it gets a bit complicated. Tier 5 is probably covered by the Celere Sahariano, but after that, the problems are starting. There are the Italian P.75 project of a multi-turret medium tank from 1940 of roughly 30 tons, 30mm armor, a 75mm (L/34?) gun and some sort of 450hp engine (40 km/h). Apparently, there was also a 90mm version, so that could cover tier 6 or so. What remains is the P.40 series of various mutations (including a long 90mm version). As far as I can tell, this is tier 6 stuff, but apparently there were some obscure upgrade projects for the entire thing. Vollketten has it covered in detail. High tiers are actually more interesting. There are two options for tier 10. Either OTO “Centauro” – basically a Leopard with an autoloader, found by Raptor_Fulcrum: Or an upgraded M47 Patton with a 105mm gun by OTO (it had a different engine too, so overall, it would be a quite distinct vehicle). Tier 9 could be the M47 105mm prototype by OTO, but tier 8 is a problem. Zarax proposed to fill it with a Panther (Italians apparently considered making those), but yea, here it’s really unclear. Forget about OF-40 though – too new. Tank destroyers – yea, pretty much nothing here. A bunch of lotier Semovente guns (Italian take on the “StuG”). Realistically, these would reach tier 6 and that’s it, with the biggest boom being the Semovente 149, but that was an artillery vehicle. Semovente 105 looks kinda badass though, but with only a mediocre 105mm and 75mm armor, it’s really a tier 5 material. Italian artillery has even more issues (practically nothing original on higher tiers). Heavy tanks – well, the P.26 and P.40 tanks are technically “heavies”, but if we cannibalize them from the medium branch, the meds will have a real problem. This is probably the most advanced Italian heavy project, the P.43 bis from 1943 (100mm frontal armor, 75mm or 90mm gun, 30 tons and 420hp engine – yea, that’s like tier 6-7, depending on balancing). Summary: As you can see, Italy is missing hightier SPG’s, TD’s, hightier scouts and heavies. The vehicles that remain seems to have relatively good mobility and firepower, but generally poor armor. The hightier meds of course are modified versions of the western designs, but still – autoloading Leopard? Why not. Czechoslovakia Well, here, I guess I don’t have to introduce anything, since I have written on this topic extensively. Czechoslovakia is another major candidate for the EU tree. In case you are interested in details, you can check the “Czechoslovak tree” portal on the old FTR. Some of the stuff in it is obsolete (I looked into it Continue reading →

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